Welcome to ep8 of the blind vms podcast. Today we have the pleasure of an idea from the nvda chat subgroup, a user is starting linux. We descover a few things. 1. I don't know how to use the knopix accessibility distro. 2. ciniman is unstable. 3. ubuntu vanilla has a graphical post install. and 4, except for fedora which refuses to work, mate is actually your mate with mint being a bit faster than ubuntu mate. We also look at a kiosk system luwrain which is well its simple, it works and apart from the speech synth which I like it has nothing going for it except the longest audio message I have ever seen in a startup sequence.