Jon McClure took great pride in telling me his definitive, dream band line up, and how he didn't 'go down to London, cap in hand, begging for 'idiots' to sign us'.
He also played me an exclusive acoustic version of 'The Gun', which he admitted was an idea stolen from Dumbo.
With Reverend and the Makers well into their career, I asked Jon what new bands should do to hopefully follow suit.
